Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Gem Scam, Dinner Scam.. In the same day!

It started as a nice day and a trip to the grand Palace. After my family completed sightseeing at the grand palace we decided to walk to Wat Pho(The Reclining Buddha)..





On our way there, a tuk tuk driver attempted to stop us claiming that wat pho was closed but we ignored the driver and proceeded onwards. A few minutes later, we stumbled upon a Tourist Police. He too claimed that Wat Pho was closed for some royal ceremony.. We trusted him since he was a ';police officer'; even showing us his authority card!





Then, he suggested for us to go to the ';Lucky Buddha Temple'; and even got us a tuk tuk at a %26#39;discounted price%26#39;. He said that the ';lucky temple'; was for the royal families only and we were lucky today because it was only open to the public for today..





When we arrived, we were greeted by a ';surprised'; ';caretaker'; for the temple. He claimed to be a royal architect and was in charge of the temple. He too repeated the tourist police%26#39;s story and even offered a %26#39;free guided tour%26#39; around the temple. By the way, he kept repeating that we were ';very luck today';(at least 20 times =D). He also told us about the various gems decorating the buddha statues especially sapphires, rubies and diamonds claiming to: ';Bring Happy, Lucky, Long life';





At the end of the tour, he asked us who reccomended us to come here.. He then suggested to go to the ';Royal'; Lapidary Factory which is meant for royalties only but it was opened to the public today with huge discounts because it was their 30th anniversary. Then he got us a ';discounted'; cab ride to the lapidary.





The lapidary was truly a touristy destination with free drinks and even an orientation video. We sensed something wrong and refused to purchase anything..





Later, we took a taxi back to the pier so we could take a boat back to the city.. The driver insisted to take us for a ';motor boat ride along the khlong';. When we refused, he took a much longer route and dropped us at an isolated place. Luckily we managed to find our way out through the back alleys to the pier.





We took a boat and got off at pier 5 to go to Yaowarat(chinatown). After visiting chinatown, we wanted to go to Hua Lamphong to ride an MRT back to the hotel.. We met a smartly dressed man who spoke good english claiming to be the owner of a nearby shop..





He chatted with us for a few minutes before reccomending us to go for a ';fresh seafood dinner'; at SomboonDee Seafood Market. He called over a waiting tuk tuk to pick us and ';negotiated'; for a cheap fare.





The driver happily brought us to a place near a railway line. Address: Phayathai Rd, Rajthavi.. When we entered the restaurant, we were brought straight to the seafood selection without any menu and we felt pressured to select. We only picked 2 seafood items(1 fish, 4 prawns) and a vegetable dish.





The bill for 4 of us was 4200 baht! With this price, we could have gotten a live seafood feast back home!





For those going to Thailand, remember:



- Never talk to smartly dressed guys speaking good english who approach you



- Dont walk with a map in hand(we were only mobbed when we stopped to look at the map)



- Dont trust anyone who approaches. Even the tourist police



-Dont trust the tuk tuks and taxi drivers(better to pay more for the MRT or skytrain)



- The temples are never closed!



Gem Scam, Dinner Scam.. In the same day!


Hi Woody...



I had to laugh out loud reading your post,I just came back from Thailand and had some of the same experiences you did. I even had read endless warnings on trip advisor beforehand. My advice is the same:



Don%26#39;t talk to any ';friendly'; person you approaches you. We got approached 6 times by ';friendly'; people offering to help us get to the Grand Palace. They all spoke great English and when they asked where we were from they all seemed to know something about the city or country we came from. That of course made for more conversation..





We were stopped out front of a police station by a nice ';friendly'; person who told us he worked inside the police station. We initially believed him.





We were told by all of these ';friendly'; people that, that day was ';Buddha Day'; and all of the temples were free but didn%26#39;t open until later in the day. BUT if we wanted we could get on a tuk tuk and he would drive us to a few places beforehand and then we could head over to the temples later. We of course refused and proceeded to the Grand Palace.





We put our map away after that.





Even out front of the Grand Palace people were trying tell us that it was only Thai people allowed in and we%26#39;d have to come back later and then they tried to direct us to a tuk tuk. Again we marched past them and into the Grand Palace, which of course was opened.





I didn%26#39;t have any gem scam experiences. Just a few taxi rip offs (I stayed away from the tuks) but that was it. Like I said earlier, I read these warnings consistently through the trip advisor posts but somehow almost believed a nice, warm, smiling, friendly stranger on the street. After that day I didn%26#39;t indulge in any conversations with anyone on the streets and I had no problems.





jules



Gem Scam, Dinner Scam.. In the same day!


Sorry to see that you got scammed. It happens to most 1st timers, eventhough most will never admit it and some are not even aware of it.





The restaurant one happens alot, even to local Thais. The SomBoon Seafood restaurant is a rather famous restaurant in BKK. So famous that there are now copy restaurants with almost the same name. So the scam is the taxis and tuk tuks take guest, farang + thai, to these fake Somboons, the drivers get a commission and the restaurant your business.





Check out the SomBoon seafood website, they even have a scam warning on their home page.





Remember, if the menu have no prices, walk out.




Good advise that should be brought up periodically to warn the 1st timers.





We got the ';cheap'; tuktuk ride too, but realized what was happening and ignored the nice speaking folks at the other end and just carried on in our ';new'; location. The 4 of us had to huddle together though to get away from these jerks and entered a mall that they told us was closed for a royal holiday.




Why does anyone use tuk-tuks. Apart from scammers, tuktuk are dangerous, uncomfortable and often more expensive than an airconditioned taxi. Never believe anyone not wearing a uniform claiming to be a cop. Thai police uniforms are brown, and most cops wear a kind of helmet, like a mototcycle helmet.




Yes maybe this forum should have a health warning attached in the same way that cigarette packets do - and it would save a lot of repeat postings. It should go along the lines of:





1 anyone who approaches you at the airport offering you a taxi or limo is a spiv and crook and will rip you off. to get a taxi go outside to the public taxi booth - you have to find this youself.





2 if approached on the street by friendly english speaking people tell them firmly to go away - they too are likely to be crooks and scammers (would you believe a stranger who approached you on the street in your home town?)





3 following on from 2 assume anyone who approaches you near to a tourist site ( grand palace, jim thomsons house etc ) and tells you it is closed is a liar and crook.





4 anyone who tells you that you are lucky and can access a special sale of gems/diamonds is a crook/con artist





5 any tuk tuk/taxi driver who offers you a special deal is on a commission to take you somewhere to get ripped off





6 any deal that seems too good to be true....is exactly that





7 a tuk tuk driver will always rip you off





8 if you get in a taxi and the driver doesn%26#39;t switch on the meter then get out and walk away





9 don%26#39;t go into an upstairs bar in patpong





10 don%26#39;t give money to street begars - they are organised professionals




Yes i dont know why people use tuk tuks ?



Noisy, hot. loud. dangerous, cost too much etc. When aircon cabs, quite,safe and cheaper are everywhere ???????????



And i think the Palace IS ONLY CLOSED on the king birthday !




I can%26#39;t help but laugh out loud either because this did happen to me too! but I didnt know about tripadvisor before then..





I think I went to the same temple too.. was it a small temple in the middle of no where and with no tourists? I knew I was getting scammed when I saw no other tourist around. I was SO freaked out.. Luckily my Boyfriend was with me..and that smartly dressed guy was there and spoke VERY good english telling us he%26#39;d been to Sydney and saw the Opera house... hahaha..





I too went to some Gem shop and the tuk tuk driver said he would get free petrol for taking us there.. he even had a ';free gasoline'; card in the photo part of his wallet! didn%26#39;t really click to me till later..





But overall a funny experience and we laugh when we look back at it. I guess you always learn from your mistakes and come out wiser!





and another tip I might add.. Don%26#39;t point and go ummm.. I think its this way.. thats another give away that you have no idea where your going.. at least pretend too! =)




Hi



On the occasions i have used a tuk tuk I always pretend Im in a hurry, I tell the driver where i want to go then completely ignore him, its not nice i know but it always works for me.





Manicus.




We had the opposite actually in Bangkok. Arrived off the bus from Kanchanaburi wanting to find a taxi to our hotel. The taxi drivers asked us for 200 baht to take us for a 10 minute ride. Given we had just paid 300 baht for a 2 1/2 hour ride this was rediculous.





Not one was interested. Even at the hotel we walked into again not interested. It turned out it was ';peak hour'; and they couldn%26#39;t be bothered.





So in the end we took a tuk tuk for 200 as the taxi%26#39;s had given up by then.





What a ride lol. me in the back surrounded by luggage with my feet hanging out the side. I was bouncing around with the luggage LMAO, what a site.





Actually it was a highlight of the trip. Life is an adventure!





Wen




Hi,





Sorry to hear that you got scammed. It saddens me that these sort of things happen to travellers. Not so much because of financial loss but we will be on our guard, which is fine. However, in doing so, we are not open to meeting/conversing with the truly nice and kind native people. I have struggled with this issue for a long time. In the end, I choose to be safe than sorry.





You might not receive sympathy from some travellers as they have this ridiculous ';you should have known'; attitude. One can read all the guidebooks%26#39; warnings and TA posts they want- a bad experience, such as yours, will bring the traveller to higher level of vigilant next time around.





The one advice ( I got this one from this forum) that I always keep in mind: never go to a place that you did not plan going/visiting.





I hope your future trips will be scam free! Thanks for posting.

Samui - Phangan - Tao??

Hi we (hubby %26amp; me) have 3 weeks in Thailand in July/August. So far we have almost decided on:

Day 1 - 3 Bangkok

Days 3 - 6 Kanchanburi

Day 7 - Flight Bkk to Samui

Days 7 - 20 ?????????

Day 20 - Flight Samui to BKK

Day 21 - home

So we have nearly 2 weeks to fill up in the middle and dozens on questions! We are both early 40s and like snorkelling, hiking, relaxing %26amp; experiencing local culture. We don%26#39;t want 5 star resorts just a nice beach, sea we can swim in and simple beach accommodation. My other half wants to see Samui (on the recommendation of a friend) but I am concerned that it will be too commercialised in some places. I am quite keen on going to Thong Nai Pan beach in Phangan as it looks and sounds great. Originally I wanted to go to all three islands - as I couldn%26#39;t choose one:) but I have realised that we would use up valuable holiday time by travelling too much, so I thought we could just do 2. So does anyone have any recomendations - which island/s? How long to see each one,where to stay on Samui? Also I read that there is a ferry direct to Thong Nai Pan beach from Samui, does anyone know how often, where from and how to book this?

Sorry for such a long post but this is our first time to Thailand and I am VERY excited! : )

Samui - Phangan - Tao??

Hi Bryony! Having been to Samui + Phangan you could defintely do all 3 of the islands you mentioned in a fortnight. Samui is very commercialised compared to the other 2 islands but we really enjoyed the buzz and nightlife. We stayed on chaweng beach, we are only 25. The recommendation for many from this site for your age group seems to be Fishermans village in the north of Samui. We visited it and it was very nice but too quiet for us honeymooners we liked the wide range of restaurant choices and pubs in chaweng. It is only around 15 minutes from Chaweng in a songthaew (like a taxibus, semi-open with benches, people hop on and hop off). So if you wanted to go into Chaweng for a night out you could no problem.

Fishermans village has views over to Ko Phangan, which is only a 30-45minute ferry ride away. I%26#39;m not sure about the ferry to Thong Nai Pan, but if you get the standard ferry which is very cheap (approx 拢5 return I think), you can then get a songthaew to your chosen beach. Will be a bumpy 30-40 minute ride but it%26#39;s fun! Phangan is not nearly as developed as Samui but there are a lot of signs that it will head that way in the next number of years.

As for Ko Tao I haven%26#39;t been, but I know it is to the North West of Phangan with daily ferrys also and again not fair in terms of journey time. I would recommend for you...

7-11th Samui (3nights)

11th - 15th Phangan (3nights)

15-18 Tao (3nights) BEST PLACE TO SNORKLE

18-20 Back to Samui (2nights)

You can get ferry to Samui from Tao. Just an idea I%26#39;m very jealous I%26#39;d love to go back again!!!

Samui - Phangan - Tao??

Hi BazDown. Thanks for your advice. What time of year did you go, I%26#39;ve been reading about the low tides and the fact that you can%26#39;t swim off some beaches at certain times of year. What%26#39;s the beach like at Fishermans village?

I seem to have been researching this trip for months but I am still confused! I think the problem is that 3 weeks is just NOT long enough : )


We were there in October. Fishermans village beach seemed fine. Not clear sand more of a grainy pebbly sand if you know what I mean, but definitely still ok to walk on! Sand on chaweng beach is beautiful, especially in central to southern end! In north chaweng there is a reef around 60 metres out which can make it shallow, but you can still walk 5-10 mins down the beach to find a better spot! Tyr not to worry too much I did before we went and we loved it just go with the flow, don%26#39;t obsess about decisions I%26#39;m sure no matter where you go on Samui or Phangan you will have a great time:)!


Sorry Bryony just to add...if beach is really important to you I would without a doubt go to SOuth Chaweng! The most beautiful beach on the island easily. You are out of the busiest part of the hustle + bustle (which we loved) of chaweng. But plenty of good bars and restaurants within the vicinity to have a great time:)! It might be nice to have a bit of a livelier time in Samui as Phangan and Tao are very quiet!


Ok I%26#39;ll have a look at it. I must admit I haven%26#39;t even consided Chaweng - reading about it makes it sound like the Blackpool of Thailand!


Have a look at Maenam beach.Lots of good beach accomodation.Swimmable most of the year.Handy for the ferry or catamaran to Phangan.


Been to Samui 4 times noe - love Maenam - for the older traveller it has it all - great beach - deep (although not clear) water for swimming - beach bars and restaurants and no hawkers

Chaweng is great beach but hawkers all day every day trying to sell stuff - does my head in

Chong mong (sorry for spelling) is my fav place - near Big Budda - not commercialised and great beach restaurants


Hi

We are both 40 and have been to Thailand a number of times. We were in Samui, Phangan and Koa Toa last year and we are going back there this year in August as well.

Samui is good for a bit of life and although commercialised, still has a great buzz. I would personally recommend the south beach in Chaweng. The beach is beautiful and away from the crowds. The hotels here are a 10 minute walk from the main drag, but you can jump on one of the local pick-ups for 30 baht a person. 10 minutes might sound like it%26#39;s an easy walk, but in the heat and humidity it gets a bit warm! There are quieter resorts, but we like a bit of life. We stopped at the First House hotel, which in fine and includes buffet breakfast. Bang Por beach is really quiet, but not great for swimming (although it is idyllic).

In Koh Phangan we stopped at Salad Hut on Salad Beach which really is fantastic. There is more basic (and more exclusive) hotels on the beach, but this place was great value and really chilled out with friendly staff. It%26#39;s a very small resort and chilling is the main attraction. Snorkelling is good if the tide is in and you can get over the coral reef. It%26#39;s meant to be better snorkelling round the corner in Koh Ma, but we didn%26#39;t make it there as it was just great to do nothing much for a few days. We are going back this year, but are also doing Thong Nai Pan beach. I agree it looks great!

We stopped at Sensi Paradise in Koh Toa and loved the island. The snorkelling is amazing and the island of Nang Yuan just off Koh Toa is a must see. Get a long tail boat as soon as you are allowed on the island (limited for daytrippers)and miss most of the day trippers from Samui and Phangan. The hotel is a bit expensive but we really liked it and it%26#39;s a once a year thing, so hey, what the heck.

You can do all 3 islands easily as it%26#39;s only 30 mins to Phangan and 1 and a half hours to Koh Toa. I would definitely do all 3 as they all had something different to offer.

The accomodation we stopped at above was mid range i.e not backpacker digs nor five star.


Hi thanks for your advice. All three do sound great so I think we%26#39;ll have to try and see all of them, unless we get %26#39;stuck%26#39; somewhere that we can%26#39;t bear to leave! We are hoping to just turn up on the islands and then find somewhere to stay, does anyone know how easy this will be in July/August?


Hi Bryony don%26#39;t think that will be too much of a problem, supposedly Thailand is a lot quieter so far this year and that%26#39;s expected to continue. There are so many hotels on Samui + Phangan you will definitely find somewhere to stay, you just may not get your 1st choice one if it%26#39;s particularly popular. Still very jealous hope you have an amazing time:)!

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  • River Kwai

    Would like to do this tour and wondering whether to include Hellfire Pass as I believe it is a distance further. Would this be to long a day from Bangkok?



    If anyone has ideas would appreciate. Thanks



    River Kwai


    kasha85, google tour with tong click on itineraries and look at Kanchanaburi,we have booked K4 for april



    River Kwai


    Hellfire Pass is a must do tour in my opinion and can be done by yourself or as a tour..





    If you chose to do it yourself, when you arrive at the Kanchanaburi bus station there will be plenty of taxis to take you the short ride into town. We walked the distance as there are war cemeteries along the way worthy of stopping by.





    We did our own tour and it was easy to arrange.





    Bus from BKK to Kanchanaburi (2hrs) and spend the day looking around town, take in the Tiger Temple if you wish. Great town, lots of museums and floating restaurants etc.





    Next morning (assuming a week day) catch the first train to Nam Tok (end of the line). This train is designated as the school run and therefore cheaper rates. The rest of the trains are designated as tourist trains and run at an inflated price.





    From Nam Tok there will be songthews waiting to drive you the last 16klms to Hellfire Pass. Make sure you take 500baht and your passports for the free loan of the audio headsets at the museum. It really adds to the experience being able to listen to the Diggers as you walk the line. The museum is free entry but please leave a donation. It is one of the best museums that I have visited.





    Return is via the same method. The last train leaves Nam Tok about 4pm and once again it is the school run. Very scenic trip along the banks of the River Kwaii and crosses ';the'; wooden bridge.





    We have some pics, stories and maps of our trip here... www.bobandjanette.com





    Happy %26amp; safe travels




    Sorry, forgot to add that you can do the Hellfire tour as a day trip via an organised tour in a mini van.





    I would suggest though that if tou have the time to spend at least one overnight in Kanchanaburi. It is a lovely town set on the banks of the River Kwaii.

    Koh lanta best beaches and bunglows

    Help Ive never been to Koh Lanta and want to know the best beaches and bungalows. We are travelling on a budget so nice, clean and cheap will do. We plan to travel in April and will be coming via Phuket.



    Koh lanta best beaches and bunglows


    Hi-



    I was just on Koh Lanta last week and stayed on the southern part of the island on mai pai beach at a great place called Bamboo Bay Beach Resort. There are several budget places with bamboo huts or cabins down on that end, the beaches are beautiful (Ao Nui, Jaak, and Mai Pai), and it%26#39;s very relaxed and peaceful.





    When you get to the port of Lanta, you can take a taxi to the southern end. It takes about 40 minutes by car and costs between 200-500 bhat, but it%26#39;s worth it!



    Koh lanta best beaches and bunglows


    From Phuket you can either travel to Koh Lanta by ferry, via Phi Phi island or road trip via Krabi and then car ferry. Either way is scenic or you could perhaps travel one way via ferries and return via road.





    We have some pics, stories and maps of our trip to Koh Lanta from Phuket here... www.bobandjanette.com which may help. We travelled by ferries going to Lanta and returned by road stopping at Krabi for a few days to break the trip up a little.





    Happy %26amp; safe travels

    hotel opposite the Mandarin Oriental Bankok???

    Apparently there is a hotel or hotels opposite.





    I tried to google and check out maps but had no luck





    Thanks





    hotel opposite the Mandarin Oriental Bankok???


    Do you mean The Peninsula Hotel, on the opposite side of the River?



    hotel opposite the Mandarin Oriental Bankok???


    I am thinking its the Manohra Hotel鈥庘€? I got the google map to work for me :) I am calling them to check-thx for the reply


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  • Travel from Ko Tao to BKK in one day to catch flight to US

    Hi,





    I%26#39;m trying to plan departure from Ko Tao and am wondering if the following is advised.





    Leave Ko Tao on first ferry at 9:30AM



    Arrive Ko Samui 11:20AM



    Travel to airport 30 min



    Flight to BKK leaves at 1:45PM



    Arrive BKK 2:50PM



    Leave BKK for flight to US at 5:05PM





    I am on a carrier that I can check luggage through in Ko Samui and do clear customs there and do the CIQ thing in Bangkok. Does this itinerary leave enough time to transfer from the ferry to Ko Samui airport and go through customs and to transfer in Bangkok from domestic to international?





    Thanks for any help!



    Travel from Ko Tao to BKK in one day to catch flight to US


    If everything runs to time then you will have no problems.The weakest link is the ferry.I would be inclined to travel to Samui the day before.



    Travel from Ko Tao to BKK in one day to catch flight to US


    Two weeks ago I had the first boat from Koh Tao to Koh Samui (Lompraya catamaran) and it was one and a half hour delayed. If this would happen to you as well, you would miss your flight.




    I wouldn%26#39;t trust the ferry running on time. You have given yourself enough time it seems to get to the airport but that depends where the ferry drops you off. I got on the ferry near the big golden buddah and ended up getting dropped off on the other side of the island and it took along time on the boat and to get back to my hotel (but great scenery through towns). I was in no rush though and i had transfers (that came with the ferry ticket that we bought at reception of hotel)who knew where to meet us. so we had no dramas but i agree you should do it all a day earlier. but then i take my time on holidays.




    Do the flights from Samui go to the international airport in BKK or domestic?





    just wondering because we flew into samui from Phuket domestic side and trained back to BKK last time.





    I just presumed they flew into the old airport from Samui.





    If so check in at international is no later than 2 hours before boarding because of luggage screening measures so you are going to be well tight on that leg, unless flying first class or they keep check in open longer for your flight.





    Remember you may land at 2.50 but you are not off the plane at that time!





    Then you have to get to international and check in less than 2 hours before takeoff.





    I would be going back to Bangkok the day before not Samui.




    All flights go into Suvanabhumi,the international airport.

    Want to know where Pierre's Boutique is???

    Can anyone tell me where the tailors of Pierre%26#39;s Boutique that where situated on Silom Road, near the Holiday Inn are now located....i have used these tailors for the past 2 years and was hoping to do so again but was dismayed to find were no longer there.??

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